tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post7091539490782770620..comments2023-12-02T09:37:08.472-05:00Comments on Autism Jabberwocky: Biased Research on Perceptions of AutismM.J.http://www.blogger.com/profile/12033918835169823548noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-12309615389518154402010-07-23T17:05:07.369-04:002010-07-23T17:05:07.369-04:00Do not disseminate:
You have not read the paper.
...Do not disseminate:<br /><br />You have not read the paper.<br />I have not read the paper.<br /><br />sum<br /><br />Discussion of the paper is futile.<br /><br />I am British, we retreat by claiming the Potomac is useless for trade, anyway.Norton Gunthorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365257646233536999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-51849414395567215392010-07-23T16:36:19.751-04:002010-07-23T16:36:19.751-04:00So how does you not having time to put into a disc...So how does you not having time to put into a discussion (which I can completely understand), make a discussion "illegitimate"?<br /><br />Because I was thinking that the phrase "strategic retreat" might have been more appropriate.M.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033918835169823548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-85063614698618326112010-07-23T14:22:46.636-04:002010-07-23T14:22:46.636-04:00I would certainly not want to inhibit you expressi...I would certainly not want to inhibit you expressing your opinion. It's just I'm working on a post inspired by the events you have <a href="http://autismjabberwocky.blogspot.com/2010/07/murder-should-not-be-used-for.html" rel="nofollow">just posted</a> on and don't really have the time to do the necessary background reading/thinking to have a sensible discussion.<br /><br />I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for us to lock horns in the future.<br /><br />Norton.Norton Gunthorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365257646233536999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-84453718556795585812010-07-23T13:08:46.867-04:002010-07-23T13:08:46.867-04:00Uhm, OK.
I never thought of my opinion as being i...Uhm, OK.<br /><br />I never thought of my opinion as being illegitimate before, but whatever.M.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033918835169823548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-17976307425515651542010-07-23T13:00:41.164-04:002010-07-23T13:00:41.164-04:00Given that neither of us has read the paper, furth...Given that neither of us has read the paper, further discussion of it would be illegitimate from a Logician's perspective and indeed mine.Norton Gunthorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365257646233536999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-51051514656811349272010-07-23T12:52:25.192-04:002010-07-23T12:52:25.192-04:00I think you may have missed the point of what I wa...I think you may have missed the point of what I was saying. I am not saying that all studies of only 10 people are worthless.<br /><br />What I am saying that a "study" about perceptions that only includes the opinions of 10 people is worthless.<br /><br />Think of it this way, if you look at polls or surveys that are done for a variety of topics, such as politics, how much weight would you give to a poll that only asked ten people? <br /><br />I think that an opinion poll with only ten people is almost completely worthless and has such as high margin of error that you can't draw any conclusions from it.<br /><br />Now, that is a poll, this is a study that is supposed to be grounded in evidence based medicine. The bar for evidence in a study is much higher that is it for a simple poll.<br /><br />As the current "study" doesn't even meet the threshold of evidence for a simple opinion poll let alone the higher standards of evidence based medicine, how can we take it to be something other than just the authors opinions masquerading as science?M.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12033918835169823548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1892134081049774386.post-75320888804655117772010-07-23T08:11:24.894-04:002010-07-23T08:11:24.894-04:00Well Mr Jabberwock,
"I have not read the stu...Well Mr Jabberwock,<br /><br /><i>"I have not read the study, nor do I intend to"</i><br /><br />and then you go on to say<br /><br /><i>"The real questions are how did this nonsense get published in the first place"</i><br /><br />How do you know it's nonsense if you haven't read it? One cannot have it all ways - one does not confutate by refusing to engage with one's subject matter.<br /><br /><i>"Where any discussion of this "study" should have stopped is at the point where they point where you see that the results are based on the opinions of just 10 people."</i><br /><br />How do you know it's a "<i>study</i>" and not a study, if you haven't read it?<br /><br />Where any reading of your essay should've stopped is at the statement <i>"I have not read the study, nor do I intend to"</i>.<br /><br />Nevertheless I will continue... ...<br /><br />If a study of 10 people dosed with cyanide claims that 100% of the participants suffered adverse effects - is it useless?<br /><br />Off the top of my head, Leo Kanner's 1943 paper "Autistic Disturbances of Affective Contact" related the case histories of 6 children. Does that make it useless?<br /><br />The authors of the paper may well be propogandizing, but then it seems, so are you.<br /><br />Pot, Kettle, Black.<br /><br />Norton.Norton Gunthorpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365257646233536999noreply@blogger.com